me and my so are getting really tired of continual police and detective dramas being
issued and
(often) re-issued. this coming fall, there is even a us clone of the uk's "broadchurch." heck the
actor they got for the lead even looks like the haggard david tennant.
that's because it is david tennant. he came over to 'reprise' his role, though since they've changed
the ending in the us version to something unbelievably bad and without any of the heart-stopping
momentum of the uk version i really don't know why he bothered.
they keep making this cops and robbers bulls#!t because people keep watching it, how many times can
you watch the same formula and say 'this ones really good because it has (insert generic
interchangeable cop drama actors name here) in it"?
this is nothing like the normal american cop drama, it's more like a british cop show , one case spread
over weeks, it was quite good and will keep watching .
this coming fall, there is even a us clone of the uk's "broadchurch."
heck the actor they got for the lead even looks like the haggard david tennant.
that's because it is david tennant.
lol! i was going to say that if you hadn't.
btw, the u.s. version is called 'gracepoint'
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they've changed the ending in the us version to something unbelievably bad and
without any of the heart-stopping momentum of the uk version
really? where'd you read that?
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i really don't know why he bothered.
i saw an interview where he joked that he just likes not having to shave in the morning 🙂
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they keep making this cops and robbers bulls#!t because people keep watching it,
how many times can you watch the same formula and say 'this ones really good because it has (insert
generic interchangeable cop drama actors name here) in it"?
i disagree.
first, cop shows, along with detective shows more generally are one of the big 3: crime dramas,
courtroom dramas and medical dramas. they're always going to dominate tv because 1) they're
inherently dramatic and the source of conflict is something that is real, contemporary and
relateable and 2) they have the best formulae for episodic entertainment and because it comes from
syndication all the real profit in tv is based on episodic storytelling rather than long extended
story arcs.
second, they do make too many cop shows, and as a result there're a lot of subpar ones, however it's
too simplistic to just say that they should stop. it only takes a unique protagonist to make it
really stan out - like the shield and justified. moreover, even with fairly standard main characters
and settings, when they have compelling character development (ie, well written and acted) that
unfolds gradually along with resolving the crime(s) of the week, cop shows can be the best thing on tv.
southland
boomtown
brooklyn south
nypd blue
and the progenitor that inspired them all:
hill street blues!
southland
boomtown
brooklyn south
nypd blue
and the progenitor that inspired them all:
hill street blues! !
hsb is 30 years too late for that accolade:
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the success of the film, along with a suggestion from lapd detective sergeant marty wynn, the film's
technical advisor, gave webb an idea for a radio drama that depicted police work in a similarly
semidocumentary manner. the resulting series, dragnet, which debuted on radio in 1949 and made
the transition to television in 1951
the success of the film, along with a suggestion from lapd detective sergeant marty wynn, the film's
technical advisor, gave webb an idea for a radio drama that depicted police work in a similarly
semidocumentary manner. the resulting series, dragnet, which debuted on radio in 1949 and made
the transition to television in 1951
i'm suggesting that dragnet and shows like it are the original model of cop show:
>purely episodic police procedurals
shows like the killing and broadchurch are the opposite:
>pure serials - basically long drawn out detective stories (with police doing the investigating)
serial shows work better on bbc and cable but not so well on networks because 20+ eps is usu just
too long for one murder. plus, pure serials are lousy for syndication.
hsb was the first successful hybrid. there would be one or two stories that would start and end in
the same episode, but there were also really compelling story arcs that unfolded over the course of
the season and made the protagonists more fully realized. maybe i've not seen enough eps, but my
impression was that joe friday was exactly the same from beginning to end. nowadays every show
tries to do what hsb and nypd blue did, but few do it well. you need good acting and writing, but
you also need to get the balance right. i'd argue that the csi shows suffer in comparison to l&o: svu
because there's not enough focus on character development. rookie blue isn't as good as southland
because there's too much focus on the officers' personal lives and too little on the crimes.
ps: my list from before should have included homicide: life on the street
i'm suggesting that dragnet and shows like it are the original model of cop show:
>purely episodic police procedurals
shows like the killing and broadchurch are the opposite:
>pure serials - basically long drawn out detective stories (with police doing the investigating)
i think you're over reaching by suggesting a new genre has been created simply because narrative
elements span more than 1 episode...this has everything to do with modern entertainment formatting &
very little to do with cop shows.
the cop show idiom or 'police procedural drama' has changed very little since dragnet!
but lf we go down your road for the lols & meet your new updated criteria:
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pure serials - basically long drawn out detective stories
i think you're over reaching by suggesting a new genre has been created simply because narrative
elements span more than 1 episode...this has everything to do with modern entertainment formatting &
very little to do with cop shows.
the cop show idiom or 'police procedural drama' has changed very little since dragnet!
it's not a genre at all- new or otherwise. i never said it was. the genre is still cop show- or
perhaps detective fiction and cop show is the subgenre. what i said was that they came up with a new
formula. i agree it's a distinction in format. it's a distinction that can just as easily be applied
to the other main tv genres too: courtroom & medical dramas.
where i disagree is that there's little difference between episodic shows like dragnet and the
serialized or the hybrid shows. the point i was making is that because cop shows aren't like dragnet
anymore, it's too simplistic to just say, 'there're too many of them on tv. they should give it a
rest and only green light new shows with a fresh premise.'
it'd be different if we still only had the original purely serialized detective/doctor/lawyer shows.
with no development of the protagonists, the viewer can only emotionally engage with characters who
are only present for one episode. that makes the main characters completely interchangeable. there's
no significant difference between 23 eps of 3 series and 69 eps of a single series. if the shows
were still like that, then i'd agree with the people who don't want more of the big 3 genres, but
that's not the case.
here's a quote from a review comparing this show with the one i mentioned in my first comment, where
the same point is made:
for almost 2 years now i had not logged in to post, but i had to do this now. you both, sirs tuk and ockraz,
are worthy of applause! i commend you both for that insight.